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Featuring an exclusive temperature-control panel that easily zips-up for warmth and zips-down to expose cool, breathable, 3D mesh. It’s lightweight, road-ready and built for daily use—be it in the brisk fall winds or blazing days of summer.

Fabric: 100% Cotton and Breathable 3D Mesh Six Carrying Positions, hood, zippered pocket, lumbar support, neck support, 2-way straps. Machine Washable

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$150.00
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Hi! Just want to confirm if this type of carrier can be used for new born infants :) Thank you.

Asked by: Merlie
COMPLETE style carriers can be used starting at 7lbs, and with 6 carrying positions and adjustable seat and neck support, will truly be a carrier to last through the baby wearing years.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-07-01

When will this one be available? Thank you! 

Asked by: Cherry Deadly
I was wondering the same thing, but after doing some research I found that Toys R Us has it in stock. It's 139.99 and if you buy this weekend and use the code DAD15, you get 15% off! 
Answered by: Ashley212
Date published: 2017-06-13

how is this different them the complete carrier?

Asked by: oceanmomma
The COMPLETE All Seasons is part of our COMPLETE line, so shares most of the same features as the other COMPLETE styles. The inside of the COMPLETE All Seasons is lined with mesh, and the outside is cotton with a temperature control zip-down panel. The front pocket is smaller on the COMPLETE All Seasons. It is a fabulous choice for climates that experience a variety of temperatures and weather conditions.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-07-01

Which carrier would be best? My baby will be born at the end of June? Complete seasons or airflow?

Asked by: awhittingham09
The COMPLETE All Seasons and COMPLETE Airflow are both part of the COMPLETE line, so share most of the same features. Any carrier from the COMPLETE line can be used starting at 7lbs, and would be fantastic for your June arrival. The main difference is that the COMPLETE All Seasons has a zip-down temperature control panel is a fantastic choice for climates that experience all types of weather. If your location tends to be hot most of the year, you will likely enjoy the COMPLETE Airflow with the 3D mesh body panel.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-07-15

What is the Product Number for this item?  For registering?  

Asked by: rachelann
You can find all this info on the warning label found inside of the carrier waist belt! You can also register your carrier online, with no need to return the card: http://www.lillebaby.com/registration/​. When you scroll to the bottom of that page, there is an example photo of the product number. Hope that helps!
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-31

When will this carrier be available? 

Asked by: Meg5
We don’t have an exact date when those will be restocked. Stay tuned and please sign up to be notified on the product page of the items you are most interested in and we will do our best to notify you when they return! You may find a retailer near you with it currently in stock, for assistance locating your nearest LILLEbaby retailer, please check our store locator at lillebaby.com/storelocations.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-31

Hello.my name is mirka.i would like to know if you ship to ireland ?please..

Asked by: mimi0911
Please visit our international customer page here: https://www.lillebaby.com/international-customers
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-31

At what point do you switch from the newborn carrying position to having their legs out? Just whenever it's comfortable for them or is there a recommended weight for this carry? Thanks :) 

Asked by: Kks2012
The wide seat, legs-in position (fetal carry) can be used up from 7lbs to about 3 months of age. The narrow seat, legs-out position (face in w/infant pg 4 of your manual) can be used from 7lbs until your baby is large enough for the wide seat setting. Follow your infant's cues to determine which position they prefer. As newborns get older, they start stretching out and may be more comfortable in the legs-out position.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-06-23

Does the zip panel just hang open when unzipped? Or is there a place to tuck it under or roll in? 

Asked by: Mizmeg
When zipped down, the panel can be rolled up and secured with tabs that built in, so that the front of your carrier stays neat and tidy looking.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-24

I am a plus size mom, how do these fit?

Asked by: Jazzie5
We have found that most Moms who are a 22/24 are able to use the carrier without the waistbelt extension strap. That adds another 9 inches in addition to the 52-54 (some carriers vary a little) inches that the belt has available.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-06-20

Does the complete all seasons stone have a pocket on or in it that could keep pacifier or things like that

Asked by: Kly1509
The pocket on the COMPLETE All Seasons is smaller than the pocket on the other COMPLETE carriers (to accommodate the zip-down panel). It is a longer, thinner pocket that would fit a pacifier or other small items, and can be used when the front panel is zipped up.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-28

Can you use the hood without the head support being up?

Asked by: Mandi400
On the COMPLETE style of carriers, the neck support does have to be up to use the hood. The hood is removable if you find that you don't use it often, many parents like to store it in the front pocket.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-24

do you need an infant insert for this carrier or no?

Asked by: MSNB
COMPLETE carriers can be used starting at 7lbs and do not need an infant insert.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-29

How many pounds can carry? And about the height the child, do we have one limit?

Asked by: PaulaDPP
COMPLETE carriers have a weight limit up to 45lbs. There is no age/height limit and we see many children fitting in a COMPLETE until well into the toddler years. We do also offer a toddler carrier, the CarryOn with a weight limit up to 60lbs. You can find more measurements here: https://www.lillebaby.com/measurements
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-24

My son is a big 18 months and 31lbs, I know a toddler carry would probably be best but we are hoping to use a carry for any future children we are actively trying for. Will we be able to get some use of this with him until there's another to use it with?

Asked by: GreenMomof2
We find that many children are able to fit in a COMPLETE carrier until well into the toddler years (3 and 4 year olds are not unusual to find in a COMPLETE depending on their size). If you are planning to use your carrier for younger children, a COMPLETE is still a fantastic choice for your 18 month old, as it does have a weight limit of 45lbs.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

Can I carry my 2 month old baby with this 6 in 1 carrier ?

Asked by: Hurrem
Absolutely! With six carrying positions, and easily adjustable features, COMPLETE carriers will keep your baby comfy and cozy starting at 7lbs, with a weight limit up to 45lbs .
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

newborn friendly?

Asked by: tball1313
COMPLETE carriers can be used starting at 7lbs, with no infant insert necessary. With adjustable features, it is a fantastic choice to take your baby from the newborn stage through the toddler years.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-23

Do you ship to the UK? And what weight does this last up to? Thankyou

Asked by: Gona
COMPLETE carriers have a weight range up to 45lbs. We can ship internationally, please visit this page to set up your international account: https://www.lillebaby.com/international-customers
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

COMPLETE All Seasons - Breton Stripes: What color is the inside lining? Red? Pink?

Asked by: MamaJones
The hood and inside of the zip-down panel is red, the mesh lining is grey. Hope that helps!
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-06-02

Can the all season be used for forward facing as well? The base seems too wide, but I am not sure if all of the models are built the same.

Asked by: Kellansmom
Any of the COMPLETE carriers, including COMPLETE All Seasons include forward facing-out as one of the six carrying positions. The seat is adjustable, and when worn forward facing-out, should be in the narrow seat setting. You can see more information on how the seat adjusts by visiting our instructional video page: https://www.lillebaby.com/instructional_videos/
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

For the turquoise with arrows, what color is the zip down part and hood? Thank you!!!

Asked by: Britt12
The inside mesh panel is silver, with a coordinating grey hood.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

What is the min and max weight for baby/ toddler? What are the measurements for the baby wearer? I am petite and want to make sure it will fit me. 

Asked by: Kayjay
COMPLETE carriers have a weight range of 7-45lbs, and the toddler CarryOn has a weight range of 20-60lbs. We have found that most children begin fitting in the toddler CarryOn when they are wearing at least size 2T pants. You can find measurements for the carriers here: https://www.lillebaby.com/measurements. We are always happy to assist with personal fit tips as well, you can email us directly at fithelp@lillebaby.com if you need personal assistance.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

My daughter is only 27lbs 37in tall will this carrier work for us?

Asked by: Aharris822
COMPLETE carriers have a weight range of 7-45lbs, and your daughter would have lots of time to enjoy this carrier.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

What's the maximum weight for the 6 in 1 all seasons carrier?

Asked by: Hakmom
COMPLETE carriers have a weight range up to 45lbs, and we find that many families are able to comfortably wear their children until well into the toddler years. You can find more measurements on this chart: http://lillebaby.com/measurements
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-17

Is this print blue or black? When I tried it on in the store, I thought it was black, but the website photos look navy blue.

Asked by: k_hileman
It's actually neither! It's a very pretty charcoal color.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-09

Will the straps fit around a 300lb woman??

Asked by: Jkon234
We have found that most Moms who are a 22/24 are able to use the carrier without the waistbelt extension strap. That adds another 9 inches in addition to the 52-54 (some carriers vary a little) inches that the belt has available. We can also help with fit help, and offer a 30 day return policy (for carriers in new condition with tags).
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-22

What's the difference between the All Seasons & the Airflow? Do either require a infant insert?

Asked by: Wellie
LILLEbaby COMPLETE carriers can be used starting at 7lbs and do not require an infant insert. Both the Airflow and All Seasons are part of our COMPLETE lines, so they share many of the same features. The major difference between the COMPLETE Airflow and the COMPLETE All Seasons is that the Airflow is all mesh, and the All Seasons features a cotton covering, and a zip away panel that reveals the mesh under so you can control temperatures. The pocket is smaller on the COMPLETE All Seasons to accommodate the zip down panel, but they have the same 6 carrying positions and weight limits.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-06-05

My baby weights 13lbs and is four months old. Do I need a infant insert for this carrier? 

Asked by: Lastbarrette
COMPLETE carriers do not require an infant insert, and can be used starting at 7lbs.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-09

I'm not seeing anything that says weather or not you need an infant insert with this carrier. Also when I looked at accessories it shows the infant carrier as coming soon. Does that mean it's not needed or just not available now?

Asked by: Liznoknow
An infant insert is not necessary to use in a LILLEbaby COMPLETE. COMPLETE carriers can be used starting at 7lbs, and with an adjustable seat and 6 carrying positions, the infant insert is not necessary with that style.
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-09

Im only 4 ft. 11in. Would this carrier work for my height?

Asked by: Kbggjbbvg
We have designed our carriers to be comfortable for parents of all sizes, even petite ones! There are a couple tips that should help you get a perfect fit. The straps can be crossed (this helps make shoulder straps more snug). Some petite moms find they can get a smaller fit in the waistbelt if they only loop the lumbar support through one side, allowing the waistbelt to be pulled in tighter. You can also remove the lumbar support completely, which allows the waist belt to be pulled tight to approximately 17-18" (small enough that even a child could wear it). Lastly, we do have a 30 day return policy for carriers purchased from our website (as long as they are in new condition with tags/packaging) and are always happy to assist with personalized fit help! ​
Answered by: LILLEbaby
Date published: 2017-05-09
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LILLEbaby baby carrier features

The LÍLLÉbaby COMPLETE baby carriers combines more carrying positions, lasts longer, and includes more features than any other baby carrier. The All Seasons line features an adjustable center panel: zip up for warmth and zip down to reveal cool, breathable, 3D mesh.

1. SIX ERGONOMIC CARRYING POSITIONS – Includes every carrying positon without the need for an infant insert: Front-fetal, Front-infant, Front-outward, Front- toddler, Hip and Back carry. The COMPLETE grows with your child through all the baby wearing years, from 7 lbs to 45 lbs. The patented cupped seat adjusts to keep baby ergonomically seated in all six carry positions through every development stage.

2. LUMBAR SUPPORT – Increases comfort, maintains healthy posture and alignment, and prevents lower back strain. Combined with an extra sturdy waist belt to maximize parent's comfort.

3. TWO-WAY STRAP NEW! – Enable wearer to carry "backpack style" or with straps crossed in the back. Dual adjustment buckles simplify breastfeeding and adjusting straps on the go. 

4. SLEEPING HOOD– Features dual adjustment points to provide tailored support for baby's head while sleeping, sun protection while exploring, and privacy while nursing. Removable.

5. EXTRA TALL, EXTENDABLE TORSO – So comfortable your baby will fall asleep. Provides extra neck and back support and keeps taller babies secure in the carrier. The adjustable width gently cradles baby's head. Elastic straps provide support while allowing for movement and easy adjustment.

6. POCKET- Zippered cargo pocket on the panel for easy storage of essentials.  

7. WIDE, PADDED SHOULDER STRAPS & WAIST BELT - Evenly distribute baby's
weight for maximized comfort.

 

  1. FETAL
  2. INFANT
  3. FACE OUT
  4. TODDLER
  5. HIP
  6. BACK

FETAL POSITION

AGE: 
  • Newborn to 3 months (minimum 7 lbs/3.2 kg). 
  • Use wide seat setting.
  • No extra insert needed.

BENEFITS:
  • Baby is face-to-face with you and protected from the surroundings. You can see and hear baby, and attend to her/his comfort.
  • Natural Comfort: baby is positioned in the natural newborn frog-legged position.
  • Neck support adjusts to fully support baby’s head and neck.
  • Comfortably nurse baby with easy-reach adjustment buckles on sides.
  • Privacy hood for nursing or sheltering from the sun and wind.
  • Lumbar support for your added comfort.

INFANT FACE-IN POSITION

AGE:
  • Newborn and up (minimum 7 lbs/3.2 kg).
  • Discontinue use when baby is ready to sit with legs around your waist.
  • Use narrow seat setting.

BENEFITS:
  • Allows for wearing your baby during the baby wearing gap (when baby has grown out of the fetal position, yet is too little to sit in a wide-seat carrier with legs around parent).
  • Offers a carrying position that other wide-seat carriers don’t.
  • Is a carrying alternative to the fetal position.
  • Ergonomic: the patented cupped seat keeps baby ergonomically seated in a broad seating position with good support of back, buttocks and thighs, and with a natural rounded back.
  • Baby is face-to-face with you and protected from the surroundings. You can see and hear baby, and attend to her/his comfort.
  • Neck support adjusts to fully support baby’s head and neck.
  • Comfortably nurse baby with easy-reach adjustment buckles on sides.
  • Privacy hood for nursing or sheltering from the sun and wind.
  • Lumbar support for your  added comfort.

FRONT FACE OUT POSITION

AGE:
  • 6 months and up.
  • Use when baby can strongly and independently support her/his head.
  • Use narrow seat setting.
  • Neck support folds down and buttons to front of carrier. Baby’s arms may lie above the neck support or rest through the sides of the carrier.

BENEFITS:
  • Ideal for learning as baby can see and participate with the surroundings while being safe and content, close to you.
  • Increases interaction and bonding due to the face-to-face proximity with siblings and family members.
  • Speech development and communication enhanced: baby is able to see and mimic facial expressions to communicate.
  • Helps satisfy baby's natural curiosity.
  • Ergonomic: the patented cupped seat keeps baby ergonomically seated in a broad seating position with good support of back, buttocks and thighs, and with a natural rounded back.
  • Lumbar support for your  added comfort.

TODDLER FRONT FACE-IN POSITION

AGE:
  • 6 months and up.
  • Use when baby can comfortably sit with her legs around your waist.
  • Use wide seat setting.

BENEFITS:
  • Baby is face-to-face with you, protected from the surroundings.
  • Ideal for carrying tired or sleeping babies.
  • Wide, deep seat ensures a natural sitting position.
  • Tall torso facilitates baby's weight leaning into you and keeps baby’s center of gravity inside the carrier. This is much more comfortable compared with other brands where baby appears to be “hanging” out of the carrier.
  • The wide seat helps improves weight distribution between hip and shoulders so you can comfortably carry for longer periods of time.
  • Baby is face-to-face with you and protected from the surroundings. You can see and hear baby and attend to her/his comfort.
  • Neck support adjusts to fully support baby’s head and neck.
  • Comfortably nurse baby with easy-reach adjustment buckles on sides.
  • Privacy hood for nursing or sheltering from the sun and wind.
  • Lumbar support for your added comfort.

HIP POSITION

AGE:
  • 6 months and up.
  • Use when baby can strongly and independently support her/his head and comfortably sit with her legs around your waist.
  • Use wide seat setting.

BENEFITS:
  • Hip carrying feels natural for many parents.
  • Allows baby’s weight to rest on your hip, with less pressure on your lower back.
  • Ideal for communicating, learning and for exploring together.
  • Baby can see your face and read your cues.
  • Simplifies doing tasks that would otherwise be difficult with a baby on your front.
  • Wide, deep seat ensures a natural sitting position for baby.
  • The wide seat helps improves weight distributed between hip and shoulders so you can comfortably carry for longer periods of time.

BACK POSITION

AGE:
  • 6 months and up.
  • Use when baby can strongly and independently support her/his head and comfortably sit with her legs around your waist.
  • Use wide seat setting.

BENEFITS:
  • Ideal for carrying heavier weight.
  • Ideal for carrying baby for a longer periods of time.
  • Puts less pressure on your lower back.
  • The wide seat helps improves weight distributed between hip and shoulders so you can comfortably carry for longer periods of time.
  • Simplifies doing tasks that would otherwise be difficult with a baby on your front.
  • Wide, deep seat ensures a natural sitting position for baby.
  • Tall torso facilitates baby's weight leaning into you and keeps baby’s center of gravity inside the carrier. This is much more comfortable compared with other brands where baby appears to be “hanging” out of the carrier.
  • Easy to put on: the carrier design allows you to use the back position without assistance through an easy and safe technique.
  • Neck support adjusts to fully supporting baby’s head and neck.
  • Hood provides extra support and shelters from the sun and wind.
  • Ideal for cozy closeness with your newborn, this position mimics how baby was positioned in the womb with arms and legs pulled up in front of the body.

  • Comfortably carry your baby during the "baby wearing gap" months (when wide-seat carriers don't fit). The cupped adjustable seat facilitates a natural frog-leg position.

  • By six months, baby has doubled in weight, is strong and ready to learn. She/he turns towards sound, lights and also has the ability to turn away or "tune out".

  • Ideal when baby is ready to sit with legs around parents waist. Age for starting varies greatly depending on baby's size and wearer's size.

  • This position allows baby's weight to rest on your strong hip, with less pressure on your lower back.

  • Our unique solution allows you to place baby on your back without assistance through an easy rotation technique: straps remain in a closed loop during the process.

  • Easily adjust the seat to a wide setting for the Fetal, Toddler, Hip and Back carrying positions.

  • Easily adjust the seat to a narrow setting for the Infant Face In and Forward Facing positions.

  • Learn how to use the Lumbar Support when carrying baby on your front.

What are the weight limits on the COMPLETE, the CarryOn and the ESSENTIALS baby carriers?
The COMPLETE does not require an infant insert and is recommended for children 7lbs-45lbs.

The ESSENTIALS can be used from 7 lbs with the required use of the Infant Insert . The Essentials is approved for use without the insert from 15-45 lbs.

 

What are the differences between the COMPLETE, the CarryOn and the ESSENTIALS?
Please see our Compare Chart for a side by side look at the differences in these carriers.

 

What are the number of carrying positions I can use on the COMPLETE, the CarryOn and the ESSENTIALS?
The COMPLETE has 6 carry positions: fetal, infant, toddler, hip and back.
The CarryOn has 3 carry positions: toddler, hip and back.
The ESSENTIALS has 4 carry positions: infant (with insert), toddler, hip and back.

 

I’m having trouble figuring out how to use my COMPLETE carrier, help!
Check our instructional video page which shows how to use the COMPLETE in all positions and settings; http://lillebaby.com/instructional_videos.

 

What is the difference between the COMPLETE All Seasons and the COMPLETE Airflow?
The major difference between the COMPLETE Airflow and the COMPLETE All Seasons is that the Airflow is all mesh, and the All Seasons features a cotton covering, and a zip away panel that reveals the mesh under so you can control temperatures.

 

Do I need an infant insert with my COMPLETE carrier?
The LILLEbaby COMPLETE carriers do not require an infant insert. Beginning at 7 lbs you may wear baby in the carrier in either the fetal position with legs inside in the froggy position or legs out in the narrow seat setting. You may use the infant straps for added safety if you wish. We also recommend watching the instructional videos here: http://lillebaby.com/instructional_videos

 

What is the "scrunch" method? My baby is in between the "wide" and the "narrow" seat, what do I do?
You can achieve a wider support in the narrow seat setting by trying one or more of the following techniques:

1. Position baby further away from belt: Ensure baby has a “deep seat” by positioning baby toward the wider part of the carrier panel rather than close to or on the waistband itself. Achieving this is easiest if your waistband is flat and snug to your waist or hip. Try moving the waist belt higher or lower, maintaining a flat, snug, and level fit, until you find a position that is both comfortable for the wearer and positions baby on the widest part of the seat.

2. Widen seat by loosening seat flaps:

-Leave flaps unbuckled, but folded in underneath baby’s bottom. Pull on each side of the seat to extend the fabric over baby’s thighs to achieve a widened seat.
-Alternatively, leave the flaps hanging loose. This results in a slightly wider seat compared to the flaps folded in and buttoned
-Once baby is in the carrier, reach inside and adjust where baby is sitting by lifting and moving baby’s bottom further away from your belt.
-Always make sure to tighten straps to ensure baby is sitting snug to your body. However, never over tighten – always allow for the natural c-curve of babies spine.
-Note: “Scrunching” the seat flaps on the waist belt to slightly narrow the wide seat setting is not recommended because it can warp the carrier’s waist belt.

 

What is the difference between the COMPLETE and the CarryOn?
The CarryOn is designed for larger children, as it goes from 20 up to 60 pounds. It has a roomier panel, and more adjustability in the straps to get a good comfortable fit. Children can be worn on the hip, the back or facing in, in 3 positions.

The Complete has a fold down neck support so smaller babies can look out and be worn facing forward. Children can be worn facing in, and out, on the hip an on the back in a variety of ways because the width of the seat adjusts.
The Complete weight range is from 7 pounds at birth to 45 pounds with no need for an infant insert, you cannot use the CarryOn with children under 20 pounds.

 

Which is more breathable, the COMPLETE Airflow or the COMPLETE Embossed?
The Embossed LILLEbaby carrier is made with a soft, light and highly breathable microfiber fabric often used in sports gear. There is no padding between the layers in the body of the carrier which make it super lightweight and it allows more airflow than most padded cotton carriers, but not more breathable than our Airflow carrier.

 

Can I use the LILLEbaby COMPLETE waist extender on the ESSENTIALS?
Not at this time.

 

How does the ESSENTIALS compare to the COMPLETE?
The COMPLETE is a 6-position carrier with a number of unique features. The ESSENTIALS was designed to offer the best solution in the more simplified, traditional soft structured carrier category. It features 4 carrying positions (with the optional infant insert launching in Spring 2016) and includes different features than the COMPLETE

 

What is the infant safety harness for?
The interior harness strap in the COMPLETE carriers adds the necessary security to allow parents to use a rolled-up blanket of their choice in their carrier without it creating a fall hazard. The harness is not common in SSC in the US, but safety certifications in other countries, like Japan, have started requiring harness straps to reduce the risk of error when using an infant insert or positioning the baby in the carrier. We are proud to be among the first to offer this helpful safety feature.

 

Do you use a flame retardant on your carriers?
It's Important to LILLEbaby that we make the safest products for children that we can. We test extensively for both voluntary and mandatory standards. Our products contain no lead, toxic dyes, phthalates, flame retardants and are CPSIA compliant and ASTM safety certified. The padding on our shoulder pads is comprised of a non-toxic PE, a material frequently used in baby mattresses. The waist belt is also made of non-toxic PEVA material. Many baby products (bibs etc.) are now using PEVA as it is considered “greener” and safer than PVC etc.